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Well hello again to all my fellow nightwalkers Raven_Nyte here, it’s been
quite some time since my last excerpts on Toronto Goth. I do want to thank
those who took the time to reply and relay their comments be it negative or
positive to my articles. I only hope that this latest installment fare equally
as well. Now on to the reason for my latest entry.
I am sure that all
of you beautiful nightwalkers enjoy the nightlife and everything our amazing
clubs have to offer. Depending on the night of the week there is almost always
no dress code to really worry about. Though most of you out there remain true
to your ghoulish night wear on most nights be it Decompression nights, kontrol
Asylum nights, Cyber fetish nights, The Freakishly mystical Absinthe nights at
Vatikan, etc, all are a place we all can feel comfortable amongst our own
nocturnal kind.
Keeping in mind that all liquor establishments need
to make their money, club owners almost always won’t turn away paying
customers as long there isn’t any trouble. Logical? I say yes. I must
agree. But what I ‘d like to know is what is with the brightly dressed GAP
friendly people invading the most sacred Goth nights, in case point the
Absinthe nights at Vatikan. I must admit I was witness to such eye sore one
Absinthe night. In all fairness, I must say they were minding their own
business, but truthfully what is wrong with this picture my Goth! It was an
eerie thing to witness. So many eye singeing color. Again, keeping in mind that
they were peaceful paying customers, it just didn’t seem appropriate to
have a tiny whirlpool of preppies in sea of beautiful nightwalkers. Needless to
say patience proved to be a virtue that frightful night.
Shall we
move unto the topic of dare I say glow-sticks? They do tend to be yet another
eye sore. Keep in mind dearest Gothlings, I am in no position to really comment
on what type of people Savage Garden allows in but on past occasions I have
bared witnessed to ravers and glow –sticks in said establishment. It
isn’t too bad if they are gearing up for the ever-popular Dark Rave. But
having to see glow-sticks on any other night is a bit too much. I could be
wrong? (Somehow I doubt it.) I am sure there are many places in our fare city
for these glow-stick happy people to convene, so my question is why invade our
darkened clubs? In all fairness it could be for the music. But really folks how
often do you really see fully Goth-clad dark lings making their presence known
in a dance club, Pallatzo’s, Limelight, or Tequila Lounge or where have
you. I mean think about it, a bunch of us Ghoulish lovelies, whooping it up
amongst a heard of Iroc driving, pro GAP babies with way too much Eau de toilet
or Polo and Tommy Boy even. Yikes! That is enough to drive a Goth to normalcy.
Readers of this article I employ you not to attempt to visualize this scenario
it will hurt the eyes.
All kidding aside I personally think that all
Goth clubs should really enforce dress codes. Sure logically that may scare
away many who maybe regulars, but I do happen to know many of Toronto’s
other night clubs will absolutely deny you entry if not dressed accordingly.
Therefore I think that our Dark dwellings should do the absolute same thing? By
doing this, it may just eliminate all the baggy pant skater ravers infesting
our sanctums. You don’t want to get me started on what type of individuals
roll in our said clubs in the summer time. Suffice it to say picture Bermuda
surf shorts and Birkenstocks, children can we say Oh My Goth
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!
Ok I’ll confess summer nights can become
very warm and in our smaller club venues some may even sweat or lightly glow if
you will, still tend to wear their Ghoulish best on the dance floor. So I ask
you Bermuda shorts? Accccck! Honestly to each their own, but do so in an
appropriate establishment. i.e. out door Firkin pubs etc. makes logical sense
right? Please let it be known that I don’t have anything against outdoor
bar& grill places. One can’t really complain right? After all we do
have Queen St West’s finest semi-outdoor establishment The Java House.
Most might call it a dive, yet the rest of us call it our special hole in the
wall. I myself fall into its obscure charm now and again. Err hemmmmmmmm!!
Getting back in focus here, I do believe that dress codes are highly
efficient and important as much as any other club goers who really enjoy their
types of clubs or dwelling if you will. Readers please DO NOT assume I am
bashing skaters ravers etc, this again is merely my opinion no one else’s.
Enjoy accordingly.
I may not be able to change the minds of the club
owners, and that’s fine. I just wanted to make a personal observation and
share it with all of you, and for those who never noticed before while in these
clubs to perhaps on your own time take notice of some of the people who happen
to stroll in.
Well I’ll end things here my beautiful Goth lings,
as always Carpe Noctem.
P.S. again I do welcome all feedback be it
positive or negative.
Cheers until next time.
Raven_Nyte
raven_nyte@toronto-goth.com
January 2003
other articles by Raven_Nyte
Gothic
Turmoil in Today's Society! [march 2001]
Inside
the Gothic Psyche [march 2001]
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Note 2: The opinions expressed in this article are those of the author
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baines wrote on Monday, August 18, 2003
dress code - i find ready made goth wear to be like wearing a bad brand,
its accessible everywhere and too pricey. three colors, could be whipped into
so many more creative and darkly fashions. goth should be hipper than it is,
more intricate and true too life's depths. some goths come in colors. not g a p
spelled on their shirts...but what about magenta terry clothe shirts ....what
about bjork lux look....? fashion and hot interiors could re ignite me.
myopeach wrote on Monday, August 18, 2003
Visiting T.O. to
experience T.G. Was very surprised not at the dress code but at the lack of
cohesiveness of serious goth decor at clubs like s.garden and the like. What
makes goth get pinned to the ultra cheesy?
Hannah
(fire_wind_elemental@hotmail.com) wrote on Wednesday, August 13, 2003
Loved the artical and I totaly agree with you I was once in on of my favorite
store and in walks a gurly witha bright pink shirt and pants just bad talking
the store well If you don't like the LEAVE!!!!!!!
Drew
(phat_bastard25@hotmail.com) wroteon Friday, July 11, 2003
I`ve been
going to goth clubs for 7 years now. I don`t wear black I don`t claim to be a
goth, I`m me. You don`t like it? Don`t look. This is a free country and If I
wanna wear yellow to a goth bar why not?
I`m there supporting a scene
and a choice in music, I support the bars that play it and the Dj`s that spin
it. You said the people at the bar weren`t causing any problems why should you?
It`s live and let live.
If these people go out and support bars playing
"your" music so they continue to do so you should thank them for having a broad
mind not condone them.
There is nothing wrong with being an individual,
even if it means not dressing like everyone else. Feel free to email me I`d
love to have this discussion with you.
Elizabetha
(elizabetha@torgoth.com) on Thursday, June 19, 2003
Well, I think that
this article does have some good points. Goth is partially about non-conformity
(to a degree as you can only be so different in a room full of people who's
clothes are all from the same 2 stores), but having pastel-coloured
sugar-babies hoping around 'our' goth clubs should not be allowed. Last summer
my bf and a group of his goulish buddies were in Montreal...and while there are
a number of good goth clubs to go to there, they were drunk and tried to get
into a dance club...But were shunned away because of the way that they looked.
If they can do it why can't we? That is the point of having a dress code, as
advertised (however not enforced) on so many events in the dark community.
I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with those people, I
happen to have childhood friends of the like, but those clubs are our place to
hang out with others of OUR kind. Anyone with these types of friends knows that
they are good to hang out with or go for coffee with, but there is nothing like
stepping into the dark and velvet clad sanctums of our gothic clubs!
jill
(cobainsangel@yahoo.com) on Wednesday, June 18, 2003
first of all, i
know alot of 'true' alt. lifestyle, music style, whatever u want to call them
are against conformity, and i guess u can say against judgment and
discrimination, since they *we* have all expierenced it from 'preps' or
whatever. so why in god's name should we sink down to that level just so our
clubs can look 'cough cough evil'? i think that's wrong.
im friends
with everyone and occasionally i have brought my preppy or gina or even rapper
friends to clubs like velvet or savage. not one person gave them trouble,
infact some of them got hit on!:)
some ppl, may be heavily into gothic
music, but dont dress the part, or they could be like me-they've tonned down
their look over the years, but still apprciate the music.
no one should
be denied entry based on clothes.
clubs should be there for ppl that
want to have a good time, see their friends and listen to good music.
many of us make fun of preps and say they are ignorant, well we are just as
ignorant sometimes*according to this article*especially, if like what i said
before, we are gonna sink down to their level.
to all of you that judge
ppl based ONLY on their looks or that refuse to befriend ppl out side of YOUR
stupid scene, then i seriously think ur lame and need a wake up call. cause
when ur 60 years old, will u stil be sporting that hawk or that pvc trench coat
or that green hair? if u still are, good for u!! but lets see whats gonna
happen when u 'darklings' try to get a job that requires YOU to dress like
THEM. then u'll see how it feels.
DAN (fistularingulas@doctor.com) wrote on
Thursday, June 05, 2003
I think dress codes are irritating. I myself am
not a goth but do have quite a few friends that are goth. I also have a dislike
for the preps, and am not a fan of glowsticks, but is it really nessecary to
kick these people out? They buy drinks, helpping to keep these bars open, they
dont usually cause problems, and if they want to meet people in this subculture
where else are they to go? Buy forcing dress codes, you'll just be shutting out
possible good people, making drinks or covers more expensive, and creating more
and more irritating poseurs. Please reconsider your stance on this topic, do
the potential benefits outwieght the downside?
climax wrote on Sunday, June 01,
2003
you are the first goth i've heard say something horrible and
completely stupid like that. i mean, i respect your honesty of being disgusted
by bright colors, but HELLO! reality check here, it happens every DAY. so you
mean to say you hate the sun. and pale complexion, i'm surprised you yourself
isn't pale, i'm fairer than you i'm not even white! on contrary, i am not a
goth but i am fond of you goths. but this is the first time i've been disgusted
by one. i myself dress whatever i want to put on that day [wether totally
black, or the bright but not totally that you disgust]. i have preppy friends
too and even my goth friends don't have anything negative to say to them.
please, just grow up. i'm not mad just disappointed that someone would say
something immature like that. i agree with your dress codes though but you
don't need to bash them. it's their choice of clothes and your choice of
clothes about what you wear. what would you feel when they see you in the mall
and say something like that to you too [personnal experience with my friend].
just let them be. we're not ALL like you. thanks for your time reading. keep it
up too. you're a good person
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